10 things I wish would happen

Despite a shameful social media maelstrom and rampant speculation in the past 24 hours, it’s still unclear what caused the shocking accident that left six road cyclists injured in Sydney yesterday am. Which is precisely why I wanted to post this right now, for the issue of cycling safety on open roads is far bigger than any one incident. You may agree with some or all of my points. You may disagree with them all. That’s fine. But surely this is a time for us all to try and be constructive, rather than simply sling mud and accusations anonymously across the ether? This is my attempt to do so.

10 things I wish would happen after yet another serious cycling incident in Sydney:

  1. Everyone on all sides would just calm down a bit, no actually, a lot
  2. Motorists would actually learn the law in relation to cyclists and accept we have just as much right to use the roads as they do – yes, we can legally ride two abreast; no, it’s illegal for us to ride on the footpath (unless we’re with our kids) – whether you like this or not is irrelevant, it’s the law, lobby your local member if you want things changed, just like any other issue, it’s called democracy
  3. Cycling’s governing bodies and, indeed, Governments would be far more active on the issues of rider safety and community education – they’ve been damningly silent in response to the incident in Sydney yesterday, yet again. This is precisely the time when we need to show the community a unified response at the highest levels of our sport/community, rather than the piece-meal social media slanging matches that have unfolded in the last 24 hours. It’s not about laying blame for any individual incident, it’s about demonstrating this is an important community issue that needs to be considered, understood and addressed by us all.
  4. Everyone would start taking far greater care and responsibility for their own actions out on the road rather than simply look to blame others when incidents occur – often it is due to motorist negligence, but sometimes it’s we riders who cock things up and crash too, we need to remember this and try not to put ourselves in dangerous situations (e.g. I was brought down last year by a guy in front of me who foolishly took his hands off the bars to clear his nose on a bumpy section of high speed road, it was pretty dumb, he should have known better)
  5. Everyone would have more empathy for other road users – for example, whilst I know me and a mate are quite within our rights to ride two abreast down the middle of a single lane road at 25km/h in peak hour, I also know that doing so is pretty inconsiderate and likely to cause aggravation, so I avoid doing this as much as I possibly can – that said, if I do choose to take the lane because I’m worried about being car doored or dangerously overtaken, it’d be great for motorists to understand this – honestly, I’m not doing it to piss you off.
  6. More cycling groups (such as clubs, even if it’s technically ‘not their responsibility’ – seriously, who cares, surely it’s everyone’s responsibility to do what they can to help?) and high profile cyclists – from all walks of life, not just pros – would publicly support safer and better relations between cyclists and motorists on an ongoing basis – I believe this is key in removing the stigma of cyclists being seen as little more than a rogue minority of self righteous shit-stirrers (which the vast majority of us are not) – how about an RMS safety campaign, like the drink driving and speeding stuff they spend millions on each year?
  7. ‘Motorists’ would stop wasting breath by saying cyclists should pay rego. It’s a complete red herring. I’d be very happy to do it mind you, but FFS, it will solve nothing.
  8. Cyclists would stop wasting breath talking about how good things are in the Netherlands – seriously, go live there then, this is Australia and idealism won’t solve the problem, we need to work pragmatically with what we have, financially, geographically and culturally
  9. Cycling Australia or State Governments or even State Police would set up a publicly available and officially monitored “cyclist road toll” including incident, injury and fatality numbers so the entire community can understand the true scale of this problem. I think most people (and the media) would be genuinely shocked at just how prevalent accidents are. It would also give everyone something to focus on in trying to reduce the number – and hold the State Governments/Transport Departments far more accountable, with publicly-stated incident reduction targets
  10. Rather than continually provoke their audiences with sensationalist posts and stories, media outlets like Triple M and the Daily Telegraph would attempt to display far more balance in their views, by expressing all sides of the story, showing some compassion for victims, deleting abusive posts etc. It’s highly inflammatory and, if anything, only makes the roads more dangerous for everyone.

I am but a humble blogger, road cyclist, car owner, motorbike owner, Cycling Australia member and father. I have zero power to change things on my own. But surely few people would argue nowhere near enough is being done to stop incidents like that which happened yesterday and the countless others that never make it into the news feeds.

We all need to speak up people – calmly and constructively. It’s not someone else’s problem. It’s our problem. Lobby your club to do more in your local community (talk to the local newspaper and have a presence at local festivals and fetes, for example). Lobby your local politicians and demand they formally state their views on safer road use. Lobby State governments and transport bodies. Lobby the media. Lobby your local State cycling body to do more – or something! We need to make noise, and force those who have the power to make a difference to do just that. Enough is enough.

Broken bike in Sydney


99 thoughts on “10 things I wish would happen

  1. Hey I am all those things to, just not a blogger 🙂
    I do agree with everything there Pete, I try to avaoid main roads where I can when I commute.

    1. Yep, me too Chad. There are plenty of roads that terrify me, regardless of whether we’re allowed to ride them or not I try not to. Risk minimisation. As my motorbike instructor told me 10years ago “no point being right and dead”.

    2. I am lucky in sofar as I left Sydney and moved to Canberra. Although there are fantastic cycling infrastructure here you still get the odd driver who is not fully aware of their surrounds. I have been knocked off once and nearly damaged myself when a car stopped suddenly in a bike lane to pick up their husband. I ride very aware so I had an inkling this was going to happen and hit the rear of her car a minimal speed. I agree with you Pete that until all sides of the spectrum learn to respect each other all the infrastructure in the world will not prevent the tragedies we are seeing on our road everyday.

  2. Why is our Prime minister, an avid cyclist and double breasted rider, glaringly silent on this. It’s time he showed some leadership, especially in an area he actually knows something about.
    Nothing less than a TV campaign to get a wholesale message across to the largest audience would be adequate. We have had such an influx of immigrants and locals that need to understand these road rules and understand cyclists are legitimate road users (and classed as vehicles)

  3. What about cyclists who don’t follow the road rules? Cycling across pedestrian crossings instead of walking, crossing intersections against the traffic lights, and changing from “vehicle rules” to “pedestrian rules” to “my rules” on a whim? It can make things very unpredictable for other road users!

    1. But pretty petty when compared with the flagrant disregard for other road users when car drivers in charge of motorised machinery choose to break road rules or drive distracted.

  4. Great insight! and could not agree more!

    As for our cycling pm who wears kit from a company that is the largest manufacturer of EPO in the world!

    This is I guess drawn from his supository of wisdom!

    I would fear he would be counter productive!

    Are you really sure you want him to go in to battle for cycling?

    Would you seek financial advise from a bankrupt?

  5. Interesting article. As a non-cyclist, I have to say I was pretty cycle friendly. Then last Thursday, crossing Military Road at a 8am at a pedestrian crossing with red traffic lights, as the green man lit up, myself and a fellow pedestrian stepped out onto the road to be greeted by ‘oy,oy’ as 2 cyclists (all in their kit) sped through the red lights missing us both by a fraction. As I stood there in shock, the rest of the cycle group (who had stopped at the red light) then proceeded to cycle through it, to catch up with their mates. If these guys, had licence plates I could have and would have reported them, but they didn’t and obviously thought they were above the law.

    I agree, cyclists should be allowed on the road and to cycle two abreast, but they should also be licenced and taxed, just like all other road users…even a car trailer needs a licence!

    Once cyclists are on a level playing field, like the rest of us, then they can expect to be treated the same.

    1. Sadly there are some cyclists who do ride like that, Nikki, and it’s not cool at all. Personally I’d love the Police to throw the book at them. Not sure licence plates on a bike would work, however.

    2. Licence plates where exactly on a bike Nikki?
      How will you read the details?
      Kids bikes too?
      ……and what would this revenue raising exercise do exactly?

      Not excusing the cyclists in question; they shouldn’t ride through ped xing, but had it been a car that nearly cleaned you up and you had reported it to the police you probably would have got their standard response – not much we can do; your word against theirs; etc.
      Unfortunately you need to get hit to get a response.
      BTW – most adult cyclists are licensed drivers, pay tax/rego etc.

    3. Licencing and taxing doesn’t stop drivers from speeding, failing to give way, failing to indicate when turning, driving while drunk etc now does it? Just on Saturday I nearly got t-boned by a bloke on a Vespa after he sailed through a give-way sign. Sure a few law breakers get caught but the vast majority get away with it, repeatedly. Rego plates are no deterrent either and honestly how many times has anyone been reported by another member of the public, let alone how many have actually been followed up by the police?

      When one gets on a bike a spell is not cast upon turning them into a scofflaw. The fact of the matter is that cycling represents a cross section of society so naturally we’ll get a few knobs who flout the law. Unfortunately this has always been, and will always be the case. It is interesting that cyclists tend to get tarred with the same, “all cyclists run red lights” brush. When we are driving and get cut off we think, “what a dick” and get on with our day without lumping all drivers in one basket. I wonder why this is the case.

      For the record I (and most other cyclists) am licenced (car and motorcycle) and taxed (income tax and levies which pay for our roads, unlike rego which pays for maintaining the rego system and does bugger all for roads).

      7. At least then we wouldn’t have to hear about it anymore

      11. Riders start using handkerchiefs instead of unleashing on the poor bloke behind them

    4. nikki – that sort of riding is completly unaccepetable and there are as many bad riders out there as there as bad drivers & bad pedestrians. as a pedestrian, cyclist or driver i never move forward on a green light until i check safe as too often someone on the other side of the intersection runs the lights.

      whats the level playing field you want? – pay rego based on the tonnage of our vehicles? – i would be happy to pay $10/kg for my bike. that would then mean the average car is going to cost $15000 to register for a year whilst my bike will cost $70. im assuming you give way to other cars (bigger, smaller, faster or slower) also on the road – why is that? because its the law and you’re a good citizen/driver. but with your arguement you are implying that you dont think the same laws should be applicable to drivers in cars passing bikes & that its ok to threaten cyclists with your vehicle & that any injuries or deaths as a result are acceptable.

    5. oh Nikki, not the rego argument again

      One way to calculate road damage caused by a vehicle is to use the gross axle weight rating which is the maximum distributed weight that may be supported by an axle of a road vehicle. Road damage rises steeply with axle weight, and is estimated “as a rule of thumb… for reasonably strong pavement surfaces” to be proportional to the fourth power of the axle weight. This means that doubling the axle weight will increase road damage (2x2x2x2)=16 times (for this reason trucks with a high axle weight are heavily taxed in most countries).
      So if road damage is roughly proportional to the fourth power of axle weight the calculation for my 2 axle bike would be 12kg for the bike with a 100kg rider you get a damage value of (56x56x56x56)+(56x56x56x56) = 19.67 million units. By comparison a small 1600 kg car (800x800x800x800)+(800x800x800x800) = 819,200 million units. So with regard to road damage and maintenance, one small car is equivalent to approximately 41,647 bicycles for any given distance traveled. so given that the rego component of a small car excluding CTP is about $300 the equivalent rego for a bicycle should be in the order of 1 cent per year.
      If you do the math you’ll soon find that motorists are indeed being ripped off, not by cyclists but by heavy vehicles. Trucks and other heavy vehicles are heavily subsidized by regular motorists even though their rego bills can be several thousand dollars.

    6. Nike, please don’t let one incident from a bunch of goons colour your view of the vast majority who ride with self preservation and consideration for others in mind. If it were valid to do so, I would hate all 4wd drivers, all taxi drivers, all bus drivers, all truck drivers, all mums in cars dropping kids off… All of whom have at some time caused me grief whilst riding. Clearly I don’t.

  6. Nikki I couldn’t agree with you more. As a cyclists, motorist, runner, walker, Vespa(ist), escalator user, queue waiter, I try to do the right thing all the time yet see other people cutting corner, disregarding, not giving a fat-rats whether morally or legally all the time. I cannot stop them being inconsiderate and foolish, and their antics should not justify mine or anyone else’s culpable actions.

    What I do know, however, is this. In all my activities I am never as vulnerable as when I’m on my bike wearing little more than a layer of Glad Wrap, and the person sitting behind the wheel of one-tonne of metal surrounded by air-bags doesn’t care if they get too close because some other cyclist annoyed them.

    Its starts with me doing the right thing regardless of what others do; then you Nikki; then……etc etc

  7. Like you I drive Ride and Cycle , with my cycling cap on, we do need more acceptance of cyclists by other road users as a viable alternative ,Cyclists need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions ,
    the other thing that has interested me is, has the rise in reported incidents been above or below the percentage increase in riders ,

    1. Yes, that would be very interesting to know Andrew. Another good reason for more robust and publicly available data on incidents involving cyclists.

  8. I agree with most of your comments above. I myself used to ride a bike to work, I’m not an avid cyclist, it was just a good way to stay fit and save money. I did used to get frustrated with people who refused to treat me the same as a car on the road, but like you said I also used to give way to cars whenever I could, stay out of their way and even pull over at intersections to let the main stream of traffic through before I would try to go through. Mostly as a courtesy but also because I realise I am a lot smaller than the cars and trucks I share the road with and will always come off second-best in an accident. Cyclists are obviously a lots less visible than cars and trucks, and they always worry me when they are out on the highways, if I am doing 100 km/h around a bend and there is one in the lane in front of me, despite who has a right to be where, it is very likely that I will not be able to stop in time…. I certainly do not want to hit anyone on the road, but you have to agree that on narrow country roads especially it is dangerous for bikes to be on the road. I would love to see them not allowed to be on roads with a speed limit above 80 km/h, but then I know there are far too many people who would disagree with that. I won’t comment on the incident in Sydney as I do not know what happened, but we cannot always assumed that it was the person driving the car’s fault if we are a cyclist, or the cyclists fault if we are not. Make sense? Perhaps the road rules should be changed or common sense applied with regard to corners and bends in the road. A motorist may not be expecting a slow moving bicycle in front of them when they come around the bend, so perhaps when going around bends, cyclists should be made to move in single file only until well clear of the corner and stay as far to the left as possible so that a car coming behind them would have a better chance of avoiding a collision? My thoughts anyway.

    1. Really valid points Jill. It’s certainly not as black and white as some people (on all sides of this debate) seem to think. Regardless of the law or even infrastructure, accidents will still happen, I’m sure they still happen in the Netherlands for example, but it’s about reducing the likelihood as much as possible. Everyone can help with this. Everyone.

  9. Bicycle registration is rising to the top as the biggest issue for motorists. It’s their go-to statement/complaint and without clarification by Governments and Transport departments, their opinions become entrenched. The result of this entrenched opinion is disdain and aggression towards cyclists that dare take to the roads.
    This is the number 1 issue that needs to be dealt with publicly in Australia to change the cycle-hate culture.

    1. You may well be right James. Regardless of whether it actually makes one iota of sense in theory, as JV mentions, at least it would silence one of the most common complaints and, in doing so, may give road cyclists a stronger position in the debate. I think it’s a crap idea, but maybe it’s still a good idea? If that makes sense.

    2. Perhaps the a suggestiion to mute the “They should be licienced” crowd would be to add “C” to drivers liciences rather than registration , as the vast percentage of road cyclists do drive or ride . that way those doing the wrong thing can be dealt with by the local constabulary . Loose points off your licience for doing the wrong thing ….. Just an idea

  10. Make the smart and safe choice. Choose to stay out of harm’s way. Sport cycling is a sport. What other sport is allowed to take place in an inherently dangerous environment. Roads are public transport corridors. Sports cycling just happens to use an implement which can also be used for transport. It is not transport. Take sports cycling to the track and social riding to the bike paths. Choose to stay out of harm’s way. Please. Don’t make me responsible for your safety. I have enough to worry about on the road.

    This is not just about being a car driver. This is from 30 years in hazardous industry, looking at and for risks and trying to mitigate those risks. The difference in energy between cycles and other vehicles means that they simply don’t belong in the same environment at the same time. In industry they would be separated physically or separated in time. (The road is also a workplace for many people.)The track and the paths are the “safe” place for sports cyclists. It’s simply safer.

    1. Au contraire mon am-i first and foremost cycling is a means of transport followed by recreation, then a sport which is conducted in stadiums or on controlled roads. Sport is competition as opposed to a bunch of like minded riders out for some fitness work, same as any jogger.

      1. I’m with you Danny, pedal power is my chosen form of transport to work and my chosen sport Netball . Gets me where I need to go in good time , I get some excercise and feel better for it

    2. One could also ay, with the comment on “energy”, that the trucking industry should have the right to demand those pesky motorbikes and cars stay off the road.

      Logical failure there. Sorry.

      1. In the mining industry, where they have had years (and plenty of fatalities) to get it right, the light vehicle always gives way to the heavy vehicle.

    3. Absolutely true. And while we are at it. Girls, stay out of bars – men are big and might hit you. Dont wear revealing clothing around men because you are asking to be raped. Sorry, I know you are allowed to do these things but just trying to keep you safe.

      1. Dont get your logic Pete. Rape is a criminal offence. Assault is a criminal offence. Just like culpable driving occassioning injury or death. Now, whether the justice system is doing it’s job properly, granted, that’s a whole different jar of ball bearings waiting to be spilled everywhere…..

  11. I agree with all your points Pete but I’d also make another two, along the “big hammer” approach which sadly seems to be necessary to stop yobbo behaviour these days.

    Firstly, when is the dangerous driving behaviour going to be treated as the serious offence that it is? No-one could watch a video like this: http://media.smh.com.au/national/selections/cyclist-rammed-from-behind-5268423.html and tell me that it’s any different to a coward punch that lands you in the slammer for 8 years. This type of act should be classed as attempted murder.

    Secondly, whilst I personally think that bike licenses are just not practical or beneficial for recreational cycling, I think that they should be mandatory for bicycle couriers who earn a living on the bike. The crazy bike couriers who routinely ride all over the sydney CBD, ignoring all road rules and being generally a pain in the proverbial should be taken off the road in the same way that truck drivers have an additional transport license that allows them to do their job. Perhaps bike couriers would be more concerned at threats of losing those licenses than at potential fines, just like truckies are.

    Cheers,
    J

  12. I agree with what your saying, but in reality, it all comes down to driver negligence, whether it be the car driver, truck, bus or even the cyclist.
    Unfortunately we have this ‘thing’ of ‘tell someone who cares’ attitude until someone gets seriously hurt, or even killed. Whether we all like it or not, we have to care, we have to give a damn about others, we live in a society that doesn’t ask for it, but demands it.

  13. Credit where it’s due here. Good on TripleM for trying to make peace this morning with a candid and pretty balanced segment. Yesterday was a shameful debacle.

  14. First, well done on a remarkably well balanced post. Second, I have a fundamental objection to bicycles on roads. You have near zero protection from accidents, you physically cannot match the local speeds, and a significant number of you pick and choose which rules to follow with no chance of punishment because you are not licenced. You use a road that requires every other person using it to obtain a licence (which aside from raising revenue does actually instruct you somewhat on basic common rules that might help you survive), and yet any genius or moron can get onto a bike and pretend to be a motor vehicle without anyone attempting to distinguish which one you are. Yes, I agree that the media needs to wise up about how they approach this topic (as they need to with almost every other topic, and yes I agree that motorists can and are also at fault for a large number of accidents. However, until you can resolve how to put a person on a thin metal frame in amongst heavy metal cannonballs without that person being in mortal danger, I vote that cyclists need to get on the footpath. Just because something is law, does not mean it is smart, appropriate, or safe.

  15. Thanks for a great balanced smart article!

    I absolutely agree with the “both-sides” responsibility and the informal responsibility of clubs to show the right road-behaviors when doing group rides rather the opposite…

    Now living in France/Switzerland, I had interesting cycling experiences when living in AU. Unfortunatly, I felt that, in Aussie, the “size” rules. The biggest vehicule rules the road regardless of the law. Truck, 4×4, faster car, etc… So when you’re on a bike, you don’t stand much chance…

    Even-though the french are the worst drivers I’ve seen so far (aggressive, arrogant, too fast, don’t ever indicate, and the list goes on and on and on), one thing they are actually good at is giving bikes 1.5m safety distance, in the country AND in town… I can ride anywhere and never really feel in danger, except for the occasional dick-head. So if French can do it… 😉

    Good luck in your rightful campaign!

    PS: I’m french if you hadn’t noticed! 😉

  16. Seriously, accidents happen. You ride on public roads wrapped in Lycra, you are going to loose the battle. I am a cyclist but I choose to ride in places that don’t have 80km/h speed limits or like southern cross drive a main arterial road. The comments about cycling being a form of transport first and recreation next then sport last. Pull your head in a bunch of six guys riding on public roads is suicide. Running is a form of transport imagine six guys running down that road on a Sunday morning!!!!
    Just my opinion so hate all you want!!!!
    And remember I do ride also!!!

    1. What about those drivers that drive too slowly – the elderly, large trucks, buses, taxis? What about those that zip about – mopeds, motor bikes, taxis? What about people walking across a pedestrian crossing or at designated crossing lights? Wow. What about those that drive in the right lane where there’s no sigh to move out of that lane unless passing? Gee wiz. None of these are breaking the law but are a pain for a moment. What about six people riding as the law allows them. Wow. They’re not breaking the law but are a pain for a moment.

      Bredan, don’t try and pretend that you’re a cyclist so you can appear balanced. Clearly you’re not – either a cyclist or balanced. Don’t worry though, I don’t hate you. I want judge you based on a clearly stupid post. I’d imagine there are plenty of people that know you already do that.

      1. Dan sorry but you’re wrong, slow cars are are annoying but they’re not as slow as a cyclist. Pedestrians crossing a road is different to a group traveling at 30-40kph along a major road (with no traffic lights or pedestrian crossing). Drivers are humans and make errors, when they do around a cyclist the cyclist dies or gets severely injured. There are certain risks that simply aren’t worth taking simply because one is allowed or in the right to do so…

      2. I am a cyclist mate I just ride on the dirt where I can’t get hit by cars or inconvenience people. I wasn’t saying that there are not other annoying things on the road. I was saying that accidents happen we are all human so you put yourself in danger it’s your fault. I don’t complain when I hit a tree

      3. Mate I’ve been a cyclist my whole life. Yes I very rarely ride on the road anymore and the reason is cause I was hit by a bus when I was a push bike courier. I didn’t get on my hi horse and complain when the bus driver drove off and left me on the side of the road. Shit happens it was an accident.
        Typical in my experience with the majority of road bike riders you are so hard done by. How dare you say I’m not a cyclist you don’t know me.

  17. Hi great article, however i have issue with point 8. We need to be talking about European solutions such as Netherlands and Denmark more not less. After listening to Jan Gehl give a lecture a few years back it is clear in order for cities to become “cycling friendly” actual planning measures need to be made.

    Sure everyone supports the idea of cyclists and car drivers getting along as long as it doesn’t effect them. If the city streets are designed in such a way that car drivers are held up significantly by cyclists or vice versa cyclist are scared to turn because of car traffic. One or both parties are going to get pretty angry.

    Simple truth is you need actual, practical solutions to get cyclists traveling safely and the town planning is one of the major ways of achieving this. It will get more people cycling and when you have a critical mass. The culture of US and THEM will the simply disappear. Every one will be both a cyclist and car driver or know of someone dear to them that is.

    When this happens nobody will have the millimetre long fuse that ignites almost instantaneously after a driver or cyclist cuts them off.

    Essentially what I’m saying if you have put the horse before the cart. The way the city streets are designed will dictate how people use them. This is why Copenhagen has successfully maintained both cars and cycles and pedestrians. In fact after attending Jens lecture you find it’s the pedestrians that are the highest in the transportation pecking order not bikes.

    Any who if you want to learn more about this sort of stuff, look up http://urbanizedfilm.com/ or http://gehlcitiesforpeople.dk/ Jan Gehl “Cities for people” is a great resource. Put simply no amount of positive PR will be effective unless you have a practical traffic system. So lets talk more about cities that make cycling work.

    In closing I’m reminded of an interview with Stella Young Comedian/Disability Advocate who is also wheel chair bound. Expressing her view as some one who got around on wheels, you have to be practical, not just have a sunny disposition. She said on radio “look it’s not enough for disabled people to have a great attitude, there needs to be infrastructure there to support us. I can’t get into a building if there is no support ramp, no matter how positive I am, I can’t make stairs disappear”.

  18. I’ve been a road bike rider for 30 years and whilst it may be legal to ride two abreast on road, only a fool would ride two abreast on a busy road

  19. Could not disagree more.

    Ok, going to have a rant right now – at my fellow cyclists, triathletes and pretty much anyone that rides a bike.

    For gods sake, stop apologizing for riding! Stop calling for ‘mutual respect’ on the roads. And whatever you do never, ever, ever blame a cyclist for a driver losing his or her rag and running over another cyclist.

    Its not acceptable to say a woman asked to be hit because she answered her boyfriend back. Its not acceptable to say a rider asked to be hit because he was too slow. Its not ok to say a woman asked to be raped because she wore ‘revealing’ clothing. Its not ok to say a cyclist deserved to be run down because drivers hate people in lycra. Its not ok to say a woman shouldnt argue with a man because he’s so much bigger and might hurt her and its not ok to plead with cyclists to stay away from cars!

    Drivers kill cyclists and sent them to hospital – the reverse NEVER happens.

    This is not about ‘mutual respect’ – I neither care about or want a drivers respect. I simply demand they observe my legal rights and dont run me down. Feel free to think I’m a dick, feel free to think I’m a sanctimonious prig – I dont care. But do not threaten me, do not squeeze me off the road and do not kill me!

    We need to stop asking and apologising and simply demand that drivers stop running us down!

    Ok – now time to breathe………….

    1. I think you need to consider point 1, Pete…before you have an aneurysm! No one is saying any cyclist deserves to be hit by a car, least of all me (who has been hit by one just four months ago I might add). It’s sad you don’t feel cyclists have any role to play in sorting this mess out for the benefit of everyone. But…it’s a free country and you’re entitled to your views as much as anyone else.

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